A Warning To Catholics

March 30th, 2007 | 392 Comments | Discernment, Roman Catholicism A Warning To Catholics |  Facebook

By Mike Gendron

Many Roman Catholic traditions find their origin in paganism, but none as obvious as the use of statues, icons, relics, and images in worship. Historians report that statues of the Egyptian goddess Isis, with her child Horus, were renamed Mary and Jesus by pagan Rome. Today, shrines of the Black Madonna and Child are the holiest shrines in Catholic Europe. It should not surprise us that some of the titles and honor given to Mary by the Vatican such as: “Our Lady”, “Eternal Virgin” and “Madonna”, were the same titles attributed to Isis. Whether the idolatry is pagan or religious, the principle is the same. The worship and honor that is due to God alone is turned away from Him, and given to that which is not God.

On a missionary trip to Mexico several years ago, I went into the Cathedral of Acapulco to share the Gospel with Catholics. The idolatry I witnessed there was so nauseating that it has grieved me to this day. In a transparent glass coffin there was a statue of Jesus lying face up with wads of pesos in his hands. In front of the coffin was an offering box with the words in Spanish: “For the holy burial of Jesus.” I wept as I watched poor Mexican peasants kneel down and offer what little money they had so that Jesus could be buried (again).

The first two commandments of God clearly forbid two things: 1) Creating and worshipping an image of the true God and 2) worshipping anyone other than God (Exodus 20:1-5). In other words, our worship must be directed only to the true God and not through any object. Thus to worship, venerate, kiss, adore, lift up, pray to, speak to, or make religious use of man-made images of God and saints is a sin of the most serious kind. God could not have made this any clearer when He commanded: “You shall not make for yourself an idol, or any likeness of what is in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the water under the earth. You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God” (Exodus 20:4-5). Yet the Roman Catholic Church has laid aside this commandment of God, teaching instead the traditions of men (Mark 7:8). This is a most deliberate and willful defiance of God’s holy law. The one who refuses to listen to the law must know this: “Even his prayer is an abomination” (Proverb 28:9). God has made it clear that those who continue in the sin of idolatry will not inherit His kingdom(1 Cor. 6:9-10). “Their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death” (Rev. 21:8). Almighty God is never to be worshipped using man-made images because it Is impossible for images to capture or display His divine attributes. How could man ever create an image that displays God’s transcendence, holiness, majesty, eternality, sovereignty and His glory, which fills the earth? To portray God in the form of an idol crafted by man reduces the Creator to the substance of creation. No wonder the infinitely glorious, all-powerful and omnipresent God of heaven and earth, hates being approached by worshippers who distort His character with flawed images crafted by mortal men.

True and False Worship

Jesus said, “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in “spirit and truth” (John 4:24). One does not have to formally deny the Triune God in order to be an idolater. Reverence for the God of the Bible and the ungodly sin of idolatry are commonplace. The Israelites never renounced God when they fashioned a golden calf. Instead they said, “This is your god, O Israel, who brought you up from the land of Egypt.” Afterwards Aaron built an altar in front of the idol and proclaimed: “Tomorrow shall be a feast to the Lord” (Exodus 32:4, 5). The Lord, who is a consuming fire and a jealous God, did not let this wicked sin of idolatry go unpunished. He ordered those who helped create this god of gold, and who did not repent, be put to death(Exodus 32:26-28). About three thousand idolaters were slain.

Lessons From History

You would think the Roman Catholic Church would learn from biblical History and flee from idolatry, but instead Rome creates a god of flour and water to be worshipped as the resurrected and glorified Son of God. It is idolatry to call what man’s hands have made “God”, and then worship it as deity. Like the Israelites, Catholics also build altars to celebrate (Eucharistic) feasts to the Lord. Can Catholics not see that there is little difference between worshipping a golden calf as the true God and worshipping the Eucharist as the Son of God? Both religions appear to have had the same objectives in creating their idols. It is the desire to give worshippers a sense of the physical presence of God in order to make use of His power and blessings. Both religions are guilty of the sin of idolatry, which will bring down the most severe judgments of God.

The Cause of Idolatry

The cause of all idolatry is the corruption of man’s heart and his need for some kind of a religion. The evidence of this is seen in the many false views of God and false ways of worship throughout the world. Ignorance of God, including a diminished understanding of His attributes and commands, characterize the religion of natural man. Man is eager to bring God down to his level, which leads him to create an image of God he can see, feel, and touch. Man desires to worship in the flesh with all of his senses instead of with a humble and contrite spirit (Isaiah 66:2).

Unbelievers Must See to Believe

Unbelievers, who are blinded by their religion, say you must see to believe. Their eyes cannot see the glory of Christ because they are blinded by the prince of this world (2 Cor. 4:4). The unbelieving Jews, not seeing Jesus’ glory, mocked Him with: “Let this Christ, the King of Israel, now come down from the cross, so that we may see and believe!” (Mark 15:32). Earlier Jesus had told them: “Unless you people see signs and wonders, you simply will not believe” (John 4:48).

Roman Catholic leaders also say you must see to believe. Roman Catholicism teaches Catholics to have faith in visible things for the appropriation of spiritual power and blessings. Catholics see and worship their god in the Eucharist believing it has the power to wipe away their sins (Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 1394). They see and eat the Eucharist believing they have consumed the physical body and blood of Jesus (CCC, 1377). They see and confess to their priest believing he has the power to forgive sins (CCC, 1461). They see and bow down to statues believing the saints, who are represented, will intercede for them (CCC, 2683). They see and feel rosary beads believing their repetitious prayers to Mary will remit punishment for sin (CCC, 1471). These are just a few examples of how “seeing signs and wonders” is an undeniable part of the Catholic faith. Rather than worshipping by faith in things not seen, Catholics worship what they can see. They defend their practice by saying they are not worshipping Mary and the saints when they bow down and pray to them, they are merely venerating them. But according to Webster’s Dictionary, veneration is a form of worship and reverence. This practice, along with prayer, is reserved for God alone.

God’s Elect Must Believe to See

The Lord said you must first believe before you can see the glory of God (John 11:40). Genuine faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen (Heb. 11:1). Jesus said, “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed” (John 20:29). So we fix our eyes not on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal (2 Cor. 4:18). Faith does not come from things that are seen (the Eucharist) but from things that are not seen (the Lord Jesus at the right hand of God). Born-again Christians walk by faith not by sight (2 Cor. 5:7). This faith comes, not from seeing something, but from hearing the word of God (Rom. 10:17). The natural man cannot see because there is a veil that covers his heart and will remain until he turns to the Lord Jesus in faith (2 Cor. 3:16) When God removes the veil he can see Jesus in every book of the Bible.

What does the Lord say about those who make statues and idols? “They are altogether stupid and foolish in their discipline of delusion – their idol is wood! Every man is stupid, devoid of knowledge; every goldsmith is put to shame by his idols, for his molten images are deceitful, and there is no breath in them. They are worthless, a work of mockery. In the time of their punishment they will perish” (Jeremiah 10:8,14,15). “All mankind is stupid, devoid of knowledge…his molten images are deceitful, and there is no breath in them. They are worthless, a work of mockery. In the time of their punishment they will perish” (Jeremiah 51:17-18). “They have no knowledge, [those] who carry about their wooden idol, and pray to a god who cannot save” (Isaiah 45:20). The Levites, speaking for God in a loud voice, proclaimed: “Cursed is the man who makes an idol or a molten image, an abomination to the Lord” (Deut. 27:15). People who create and trust idols become like the idol they created, which cannot see, speak or hear (Psalm 135:15-18). They cannot see the glory of God nor hear His Word, nor proclaim His Gospel. What does the Word of God command? “Do not be idolaters” (1 Corinthians 10:7). “Flee from idolatry” (1 Corinthians 10:14). “Keep yourselves from idols” (1 John 5:21).

I pray Catholics will take these exhortations seriously and not participate in the sins of their church any longer. Even if, by the slimmest of chances, the Vatican were to remove all the objects of their idolatrous worship, it must still eradicate another form of idolatry. The idolatrous practice of making ordained priests mediators between men and God, which gives the priests an honor, which the Apostles flatly repudiate. Furthermore, it robs Jesus Christ of His unique office (1 Tim. 2:5). When the Lord Jesus Christ is clearly proclaimed, rightly known, Genuinely believed, gloriously exalted and truly loved, He will set captives free from religious bondage and the sin of idolatry!

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392 Responses to “A Warning To Catholics”

  1. annthropology says:

    I again ask, Whose Bible? Which Canon? Who got it right? Maybe no one got it right. How can you know? Answer: You can’t know.. You believe it because you believe it.

    If God expects us to read a COLLECTION OF WRITINGS gathered together in one book to figure out our salvation, he certainly has to let us know exactly what that book consists of — what its contents are. Who collected these disparate writings, written by different people at different times and places for different audiences and purposes? Who says one collection of “inspired writings” is the right one, when others believe their collection, a different one, is right? How can you tell one writing is “inspried” and another isn’t — the letter of Philemon, a short letter to a slave owner, for example, compared to the Epistle of Barnabas? Where is the God-given list of the table of contents of “the Bible”? Sola Scriptura is illogical.

  2. annthropology says:

    P.S. And everything written has to be interpreted. Whose interpretation is correct? That’s another major Sola Scriptura problem.

  3. I told you someone is going to respond to your question. In the meantime, do some of your own research.

  4. Johnathan says:

    To annthropology,

    You are correct when you say there is no inspired Biblical table of contents, however this does not automatically mean that man is left hopeless and without any sense of direction. If God were to inspire men to write, and I most definitely believe He did, it would be complete nonsense to also believe He would not or could not also inspire men to rightly hand that divine text.

    Benjamin has previously pointed out that our Lord Jesus revealed Himself to those He first authorized and appointed as Apostles. Thus anything apart from the inspired writings of the Apostles can not be considered God inspired truth. It was the Apostles who were the ones inspired to write according to their revelation, and therefore the Apostles (and Prophets) teachings are our foundation for all theological truth.

    Find more information at:
    http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-of-Scripture.html
    http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

  5. annthropology says:

    Replying to 354

    Jonathan wrote:
    You are correct when you say there is no inspired Biblical table of contents, however this does not automatically mean that man is left hopeless and without any sense of direction. If God were to inspire men to write, and I most definitely believe He did, it would be complete nonsense to also believe He would not or could not also inspire men to rightly hand that divine text

    I respond:
    Who says God inspired men to write? How do you know there is a “divine text”? It’s an assumption on your part. And since there is no “inspired Biblical table of contents,” how can we know which writings are “inspired”? The question remains, Whose Bible? Which Canon? (if any!) is the “real” Bible?. The NT is 27 writings selected from among many. Who (if anyone) has the authority to determine which writings were/are scripture? I guess that’s the bottom line.

    Jonathan wrote:
    Benjamin has previously pointed out that our Lord Jesus revealed Himself to those He first authorized and appointed as Apostles. Thus anything apart from the inspired writings of the Apostles can not be considered God inspired truth. It was the Apostles who were the ones inspired to write according to their revelation, and therefore the Apostles (and Prophets) teachings are our foundation for all theological truth.

    I respond:
    The Prophets wrote only a portion of the OT. Only three of the Twekve Apostles wrote anything in the NT. Jesus told ‘em to teach. He didn’t say a word about writing. Are you saying we should throw the rest of it out? You’ll make yet another “Bible.”

    Jonathan wrote:
    Find more information at:
    http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-of-Scripture.html
    http://www.gotquestions.org/canon-Bible.html

    I respond:
    I read your post carefully, and both of the links you provided. You are still no closer to an answer to Which Bible, Whose Canon.

    What I got out of the articles you recommended was that the authority regarding what scripture is (the “inspired Word of God”) and what is scripture (which books belong in the Bible) is the Catholic Church. Hmmmm.

    How can the Bible be the basis for Christianity, when the article you recommended states that it wasn’t put together in one book and recognized as scripture until the end of the fourth century? How did Christians know what to believe before then?

    You also didn’t answer my Q about how you know the diff between “inspired” and “not inspired” writing. And my Q about interpretation. These are, as I suspected, unanswerable questions. I feel kinda nostalgic from time to time about my Protestant upbringing, but I see no reason to return to it if this is all faith is based upon: ‘you believe it because you believe it.’ It apparently boils down to a question of authority, and every Protestant is his own authority. Well, if Christianity is based on my own opinion, either as to which writings are “inspired” or what they mean, it isn’t worth much.

    It’s obvious that no one here can help me. I’ve been researching these questions for a long time now. Sola Scriptura? I don’t think so.

    Keep on believing if it makes you feel better, but there’s no factual or historical basis for your belief.

  6. You are being ridiculous annthropology. You want an inspired list of the inspired Scriptures. But then you would ask, who inspired the list, and what list shall we use? It is just unreasonable.

    Salvation does not depend on him who wills or runs, or anyones ability to convince you, but on God who has mercy. This is not foolishness to you because you have not been convinced otherwise, it is foolishness to you because you’re perishing.

    “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness…” (1 Corinthians 1:18)

    By the way, I am aware of the fact that you’re a Roman Catholic lying to us.

  7. I deleted your comment because we do not want people posting websites we do not approve of.

    Salvation does not depend on the Bible. The Bible is God’s revelation which constantly points to Him alone for salvation. You do not need a Bible to know that there is a God, creation itself testifies to that. And you do not need a Bible to know you have sinned against Him, your conscience bears witness to that. That is why every religion understands that the state man is currently in, is not acceptable to their god, and so they go about vainly trying to attain perfection through religious deeds, rituals, and even sacrifices.

    Man knows that they have to be made right with their creator. Islam, Mormonism, and every other false religion is man’s attempt to attain salvation in their own strength. Christianity says, salvation is in God alone, and only He can justify us. But he that justifies the wicked is an abomination. There MUST be a payment made. Jesus Christ, God Himself, is the propitiation for our sins, and He will share His glory with no man.

    “This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:11-12)

    But you know this. And you hate it, else you wouldn’t be here arguing about it. Just like I don’t ruin the dreams of children who put their hope in Santa Claus. I know that sooner or later the truth will be told, and I have no conviction about his existence.

  8. Catholicwoman says:

    Truthseeker,
    The video that you recommended me I didn’t get a chance to watch however I did get a chance to read those newspaper articles about Roman Catholicism. Two of the Newspaper Articles that drawed my attention were the origin of the catholic church and Is catholicism a false religion. After reading the articles and the posted comments I began to feel sick and have decided that I’m going to research. Yesterday I posted something on Mary and after reading articles on Mary I feel bad that I posted it.
    I’m so relieved that I read those articles. One of the reasons why I read them is because you all kept ranting about them you wanted to be heard about your opinion about the Roman Catholic Church.
    I do not know how but I want to lead my self to the truth about God because I was so sure that I was saved.

  9. Taliah says:

    Catholicwoman,
    I am so glad that you are going to research these areas. This website is about the search for the truth about God as revealed in His Word. I do pray that the Spirit of God will be at work in you to do what He was sent to do, to guide you into all truth.

    John 16 [NASB]
    7″But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you. 8″And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10and concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father and you no longer see Me; 11and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been judged. 12″I have many more things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13″But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. 14″He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you. 15″All things that the Father has are Mine; therefore I said that He takes of Mine and will disclose it to you.

  10. Catholicwoman says:

    Taliah,
    Thanks for your kind words. There is so much to be researched on I wasn’t sure if I should bombard you all with so many questions. I will just ask you a few to help me start.

    1) What Bible would you recommend reading?
    2) Is the Catholic God, the God of the world?
    3) What must you do to be saved?

    Thank you for your time in answering these questions for me.

    Catholicwoman.

  11. Catholicwoman says:

    Taliah,
    Thanks for your kind words.

    Before I do my research I want to ask a few questions about God. Hopefully I’m not bombarding you with too many questions.

    1) What Bible would you recommend reading?
    2) Is the Catholic God, the God of the world?
    3) What must you do to be saved?

    Thank you for your time in answering my questions.

    Catholicwoman.

  12. Taliah says:

    Catholicwoman:
    Wow, it appears that a lot of people have responded to these questions on the ‘Is Jesus God?’ post:
    http://www.symphonyofscripture.com/?p=457#comment-4644

    For my own response:
    1) What Bible would you recommend reading?
    I would recommend any of the following as accurate renderings of the original Hebrew and Greek: NASB, NIV, NKJV, KJV, ESV. A good website is http://www.biblegateway.com which offers a searchable bible in various translations including the ones I have listed, including a function to compare all of these side by side. I have not had too much exposure to the Good News bible which you read, for further study it may be wise to obtain one of those I have listed.

    2) Is the Catholic God, the God of the world?
    I shall assume that by ‘God of the world’ you mean the God that created the heavens and earth, the God of the bible. The Catholic God is called the God of the bible, and the Catholic Jesus is called the Jesus of the bible, but that does not make them so. The difference between the Catholic and the biblical God is that the Catholic God was not able to accomplish full satisfaction for sin in the offering of His Son on the Cross, but rather requires partaking in the sacriments, good works, pergatory, a ‘sinless vessel’ of Mary to carry the child, in order to save someone. The God of the bible, through Christ’s sinless life on earth, and death in our place, accomplished full atonement for our sins. Our salvation is based on what Jesus accomplished ONCE FOR ALL.

    1 Peter 3 [NASB]
    18For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

    He does not need to die over and over again in the sacraments every day in all the Catholic churches around the world.

    The difference between the Catholic God and the God of the bible is the way which they say you can be saved.

    So in answering 2) I will answer 3), what must you do to be saved?

    The God of the bible states clearly:

    On Mary’s sinlessness, and On Works:
    Romans 3:9-27 [NASB]
    9What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10as it is written, “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; 11THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; 12ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.” 13″THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE,WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,” “THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”; 14″WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”; 15″THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD, 16DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS, 17AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.” 18″THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.” 19Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are under the Law, so that every mouth may be closed and all the world may become accountable to God; 20because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin. 21But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; 23for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; 25whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; 26for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. 27Where then is boasting? It is excluded By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

    On Works:
    Ephesians 2:4-9 [NASB]
    4But God, being rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

    On the Jews, dealing with ‘Salvation by Works’
    Romans 10 [NASB]
    1Brethren, my heart’s desire and my prayer to God for them is for their salvation.
    2For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge. 3For not knowing about God’s righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. 5For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. 6But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), 7or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” 8But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”–that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

    9that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11For the Scripture says, “WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.”

    12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13for “WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED.”

    ALL of these passages speak of salvation BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH. Grace is God’s gift to us of His Son dying in our place to fully satisfy His wrath because of our sins.

    Romans 6:23 [NASB]
    23For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    In short:

    You must not DO anything in the sense of good works to please God. The bible calls for all men everywhere to repent and believe the gospel.

    Act 17 [NASB]
    30″Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, 31because He has fixed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness through a Man whom He has appointed, having furnished proof to all men by raising Him from the dead.”

    I hope this very long winded post has provided you with some biblical answers to your questions. Feel free to ask for clarification if required.

    God bless.

  13. Catholicwoman says:

    Thanks Taliah and thanks for your email I sent you one yesterday and I look forward to hearing from you.

  14. sanlameer says:

    P.s. We are meant to do good works,
    Faith is trusting in God’s words, and his nature, and thereby obeying him.

  15. sanlameer says:

    I would like to ask you how you’d explain acts 15, Hebrews 11, and the fact that Peter and stone are the same word in Hebrew, further- If Rome is not the church, can you show me a protestant church in existence before the 16th century, and inform me of how Jesus did not lie, if the Catholics are as you claim “pagan”, when he claimed his words would not fade, nor his “church” be conquered.

    Is your bible a source, perhaps try regular history, you will be facinated by who the early Christians were, and how much they wrote.

    P.S. sola scriptura, or other such ideas are not befitting intelligence in faith.

  16. sanlameer says:

    sorry hebrews 12 . p.s. have you researched the greek wording of “faith”

    let’s try a less controversial issue- when samuel hears the voice of God, does he recognise it, and when he answers (in hebrew) does it mean simply hearing, or hearing and obeying. Those who’s deeds are evil don’t enter the light

    Please, your perception is completely astray. At least investigate for yourself. My sites cover my revertion to Catholicism. I was shocked at my own assumptions. such as that the protestant bible had remained the same, when it has evolved and changed, while the Catholics kept theirs

    Please email me if you have a response. I would be interested, but please research my faith. More than half the Christians are Catholic. 75% follow our doctrine, and sacraments.

    Marc

  17. sanlameer says:

    P.s. read about Soloman’s temple in jersalem on”idols” it may fascinate you.

  18. sanlameer says:

    p.s. you quote the protestant first two commandments, not the first two commandments.

  19. sanlameer says:

    p.s. did god break the command by making Jesus :) lol ?

  20. sanlameer says:

    I know he didn’t, but by your standards he made an image of the Ture God, and wow, did he do that again with a burning bush? ooch, so you say faith is enough, I’m guessing, well- we have faith, do you quote perhaps “who has bewitched you to not obey the true faith” note the wondrous word obey.

    Iove how funny people like you are, blinkers on, ok, now let’s write :)
    and attack others who disagree…
    And pity them, because they not me… :)

    but seriously, open the window, let God’s grace in, and maybe research my faith from apologetics sources such as mine.

    Faith is not blind.

  21. Jesus is God manifested in the flesh – He is creator, not creature (1 Tim. 3:16; Col. 1:16).

    You are right when you say we should do good works. Protestants agree, it is what the Bible says. However, our good works don’t help justify us before God. Paul said, “man is justified by faith, without works” (Rom. 3:28; Gal 2:16). Which is also known as Sola fide.

    The Bible describes good works as the fruits and the evidences, of possessing a genuine saving faith in Christ. In other words, if you truly love God you will keep His commandments and do good (John 14:15). Because the natural man cannot love God or do good, but only those who have been born again (John 3:19-21; Rom. 3:11; Eph. 2:1-9).

  22. sanlameer says:

    p.s. in 2 glations, see verse 14 and 17.

    Note that it is him rebuking those without works, at least in your bible.
    It is not by our own effort alone that we are saved, but by faith- by the sacraments.

  23. sanlameer says:

    Cephas was Godly, or considered such, yet while obeying God, he messed up, and needed to change his actions. The idea of faith making deeds in your method is rediculous. We act as we believe- if we believe we are free from New Law, then we act apart from love.

  24. sanlameer says:

    p.s. research what Luther meant when he said that.

    Catholics also see sola fide as true, but not in your way. You got that one from us.

    Note, it is in latin.
    The kjv was originally translated from a catholic version with 73 books.

    The bible never claims sola fide though, although luther added the word sola into his interpretaion.

    Sola fide in our sense means that if one has true faith- formed in love, then grace working via love, hope and faith, which create and aid each other- can save, via our actions in faith, and belief that God’s message is true, and trust in God. Such is faith, not mental assent. “not all who say Lord… Lord… will enter God’s kingdom” and the church is the “pillar and foundation of the truth” (letter to timothy)

  25. sanlameer says:

    the verse in romans 3 says that there is no boasting before such- we cannot boast of being able to obey because of grace,
    but later it says- do we demolish the law- no… establsih it.

    Such was a misquotation on your part, as anything trying to porportrate your twisting of SOla Gracia would be.

    COming from someone who has returned to the Ancient Religion, there is no sound argument for your case.

  26. Stubo says:

    The Bible doesn’t teach Sola Fide? Ephesians 2:8 certainly does. And how many times does Jesus say the words “Your faith has saved you”. Too many to count. If righteousness were by actions, then Christ wouldn’t tolerate the prostitutes or tax collectors. But they had faith in the Son – the Pharisees didn’t.

    And you’re totally taking Romans 3 out of context. Yeah, Paul does say that we don’t nullify the Law through this new faith. The Law is still there, and the Lord says this Himself in Matthew 7. But, as you seem to have missed 3:21, there is now a righteousness APART from the Law, that comes through faith in Christ. The Law is still there, and by all means obey it
    (unless specifically told not to, such as animal sacrifices and observing food cleanliness), but there is no boasting, because our righteousness is in Christ (also, read 1 Corinthians 1:30)

  27. Jamie B says:

    “If Rome is not the church, can you show me a protestant church in existence before the 16th century, and inform me of how Jesus did not lie, if the Catholics are as you claim “pagan”, when he claimed his words would not fade, nor his “church” be conquered.”

    that is a good question though…

    can someone answer it for me?

  28. How exactly has the devil “conquered” the Church? Perhaps in the same way he conquered Israel under the Babylonians?

    Israel prevailed. We have too.

    Sola fide was not invented by Martin Luther, or any other man who protested against Rome’s downward spiral. Faith alone is what saved Abraham (Romans 4).

    I think a better question is, how were people saved before the Roman Catholic church? They are very inconsistent.

  29. Jay says:

    can you show me a protestant church in existence before the 16th century

    Ironically by definition the precise term “protestant” was only devised in the 16th century so the question defies logic in the strictest sense of definition.
    But knowing what is meant, may I recommend the following book as an excellent starting resource titled “The Pilgrim Church” (Click Here)

  30. Venus says:

    Wow. After reading these past comments The Roman Catholic Church seems soooooo deceiving. What is scary is that so many people believe this and will be going to hell. If you say that The Roman Catholic Church is a cult then what makes you think you are right. Can you show me some historical and scriptural proof? What sounds silly is that you believe in the same God as the Catholics. Thats pretty scary. You have the non-trinitarians who are the mormons and the jehovahs witness and mormons and then the trinitarians who are the catholics and christians. The world is so all over the place. Which one is it?

  31. Ben Davis says:

    Cult organizations will always claim that their authority is based on God’s Word AND something else (and usually the ‘something else’ has even higher authority than the Bible, but they wont admit that to you). For instance: The Bible AND the papacy (Roman Catholics); The Bible AND Watchtower (Jehovah’s Witness’); The Bible AND the book of Mormon (Latter Day Saints).

    Find the group of people faithful to God’s Word that claim that authority is based on Scripture alone (Sola Scriptura). Because it is the teaching of the apostles, prophets, and Jesus Christ that is the foundation of the faith, ONCE delivered for ALL time to the saints (Jude 1:3).

    “…you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord.” (Eph. 2:19-20)

  32. Venus says:

    Thanks for responding but it still does not answer my question. You haven’t proven to me that your organization is right. There are many religions who have many differen’t view points about God and teach falsely. If you say that Sola Scriptura is true than what does it mean and who is the true God then. Gosh, our world is so confused and deceived.

  33. Ben Davis says:

    Well, I wasn’t really attempting to prove it right. It’s not a matter of persuasive arguments or simply knowing all the facts. That’s why Paul said to the Corinthians, “I did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified… my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but the power of God.” (1 Cor. 2:1-5)

    So your salvation will not depend on you figuring out which organization has the most persuasive arguments, but rather on God who has mercy to open your eyes to the truth. “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32) Jesus said, if you seek, you will find (Mat. 7:7), I am suggesting you seek Him where he can be found. Not through the papacy or watchtower society, but the Bible.

    Have a listen to this sermon: What Hollywood Believes

  34. Venus says:

    It kind of is about having persuasive arguements and knowing the facts because you need to know that you are making the right choice if you don’t have the right choice then you are going to hell and also you guys are saying that the roman catholics, mormons and jehovahs witnesses are cults and that your religion is the right one. You need to have the evidence to say you are the right religion. Anyway, I have now seen who the true church is. Now to something that is more important. You say that the Bible Believing Religions are correct than who is the Bible Believing God and what is that purpose? Why are there so many differen’t Gods?

  35. Ben Davis says:

    You’re right, but I am suggesting that it is God who convinces people of the truth, not good arguments. “No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and everyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.” (Mat. 11:27) “…flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven.” (Mat. 16:17)

    However, there are some really good apologetics websites that answer all the questions you might have. See the links page. Also: gotquestions.org, carm.org, RZIM.org, AOMin.org

    I’m not sure what you mean by, “who is the Bible believing God”? God has revealed Himself to us through creation, Jesus, and the Bible. If you want to know what God is like, you’ll have to read the Bible, especially the Old Testament.

  36. Venus says:

    Great. Thanks for your help.

  37. Chaka76 says:

    Very interesting work. I have to wonder what is best, and closest to the truth. I have been having difficulty with the Catholic Church’s stance in regards to the truth. I do not like the veneration of images in the Church either. Neither do I agree with veneration of relics.
    I want to serve the Lord in Spirit and in Truth, not an image of God. Thanks for your insights.

  38. John76 says:

    Ben Davis ~ …”The Bible AND the papacy (Roman Catholics); The Bible AND Watchtower (Jehovah’s Witness’); The Bible AND the book of Mormon (Latter Day Saints).”

    Of course though…the devout Jewish opinion is that Christianity is likewise guilty of this….The Bible AND The New Testament.

    In fact, a co-worker, an Israeli, said to me just the other day…”The New Testament is nothing more than Time Magazine or Newsweek.”

  39. Ben Davis says:

    John, yes – the danger is there for both those who add to (like the Christian cults mentioned) and take away (the Jew) from God’s word.

  40. glenn christopherson says:

    Thanks for posting the article and comments following .Idolatry is a great offence to God including protestant idolatry.At least the catholics only have one pope , some evangelicals/pentecostals have elevated dozens of preachers /teachers to the status of infallibility (touch not the Lord’s anointed heresy)

    The question of which church is right ,of course ,misses the point.Churchianity is not the message we have been entrusted with. No church can save ,no religion can save ,no “faith tradition”can save. No man can save ,no organization can save. Only Jesus saves through God granted faith in Him. his completed work on the cross and believing His holy word.

  41. Anonymous says:

    Are you jealous that the catholic church has a Christian relic like Our Lady of Czestochowa which was painted by Saint Luke the Evangelist on the table top from the house of Jesus which was made by Jesus and Saint Joseph. When you protestants tried to destroy the painting by burning it and spreading your false religion into Poland you were miraculously defeated.


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