Hillsong: How To Make Your Child a False Convert

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21 Responses to “Hillsong: How To Make Your Child a False Convert”

  1. Chris says:

    I think to be fair, it’s good to remember she’s talking to young children — she’s not giving a detailed theological address to adults. She discusses forgiveness for wrongs done. She discusses the need to read the Word and to be relationally close to God. Her terminology may leave something to be desired, but it’s not as if God cannot save a child (or an adult) through a presentation like this.

    Surely there are errors here, but you’re painting her as an outright heretic. Why not instead write directly to the folks at Hillsong and appeal to them with the points that concern you?

    BTW, I am a big fan of Ray Comfort and Hell’s Best Kept Secret. I know that historically the law has been used to prepare people for conversion, as Gal. 3:24 intimates, but that many Christians do not do so properly today. I’m just appealing to you to show some charity to fellow believers and put things into proper perspective.

  2. Ben Davis says:

    The gospel without the gospel is heresy :)

  3. Ken Silva says:

    “Why not instead write directly to the folks at Hillsong and appeal to them with the points that concern you?”

    As if it would generate any real response. Hillsong has had many prior warnings.

  4. @Chris: Respectfully, this lady has not presented the gospel. She leaves out the life, death and resurrection of Christ. The good news is not that we can accept Jesus into our heart and be forgiven, nor is it anything about having a fantastic life.

    I noticed that the author of this video compilation wrote about his 2 year old son, and his cognitive abilities. I have a 2+ year old, and therefore concur with his observation that we needlessly underestimate children, and therefore do not need to ‘dumb down’ the gospel (or in the case of this video, present a false gospel).

  5. ernesto says:

    Yea, I’m sorry, but I agree that this is very very false. No mention of Sin, no mention of what we are saved from. The gospel is simple, that a baby can understand, but this is a false gospel!!!!

    SHE presented Jesus as a fairy tale Hobbit that wants to frolic with you in the shire and play ‘barbies with you”..horrible and heretical..

    e

  6. This Hillsong DVD was given to my children a couple of years ago. It wasn’t long before it made its way to the bin. It turns tha Bread of Life into CoCo Pops! These days my children (10, 6 and 3) sit down to watch Way of the Master or a creationist film and they’re a lot healthier spiritually for it.

  7. Do you wonder why there’s so much apostasy in the church these days? These children are being told of a God who didn’t need to fulfill the very law He came to fulfill! Where is the need for sacrifice or for blood as laid out by the prophets? I was saved by being told the truth! That I have sinned, what that meant, that Christ Jesus suffered on the cross, that He died and was buried, but that He fulfilled His promise to raise himself to life three days later and prove His life by eating with the apostles. I’ve seen many children completely understand the gospel of Jesus Christ and it pains me to see so many kids getting such a half truth. Also, she calls Jesus our friend and about how we will have a fantastic life. Jesus is The LORD first and foremost! I remember the lives the apostles had and in worldly terms they were terrible. We have a fantastic life prepared for us for all eternity, but these half truths are going to raise some seriously confused kids. This may be a way to open a discussion about the gospel to kids at best.

  8. Jay Wingard says:

    I believe it was Paul Washer who said he would never allow his children to attend the majority of Sunday School or VBS in the typical Baptist church (or any denomination for that matter) because of this form of decisional evangelism and easy believism. I agree with Ryan in his comment that we should not be surprised at the amount of false conversions and rampant apostasy in the American church today and the church should get on its knees and repent for the way we have handled the glorious Gospel.

    I am also tired of hearing that we have to “dumb down” and come down to the level of the audience and especially the notion that we must talk with children differently than adults. That is ludicrous.

    It is also concerning that the typical church-goer today has no ability whatsoever to discern. The majority of people will see not one thing wrong with this “gospel” presentation by Hillsong. Why? Because it’s the exact same thing they hear each Sunday by the typical social gospel preaching pastor behind their pulpits.

  9. Darrel says:

    As one who marched down the isle, prayed the prayer, asked Jesus into my heart and got dunked in a pool of water and then proceded to live a life of ever increasing sin for nearly forty years, all the while believing that if I were to die that I would be immediately urshered into the presence of God Almighty because of the three minutes I spent transacting my eternal destiny. What a mockery of God, His Son and His Gospel . Were it not for His overwhelming grace that He chose to impart to me and His mercy by His Son’s atonement, I would still be deceived and in my sin. He sought me when I was not looking for Him and it was His goodness that lead me to repentance. From Oct. ’04 thru May ’05 did He deal with me and my sin. I wept at every sermon I heard because Jesus Christ was proclaimed and exalted—and my sin was exposed for what it really was, rebellion against God and His Word. I would read His Word and weep, then weep some more and read His Word. What a wonderful time of forgiveness and knowing the TENDER mercies of my Lord and Savior. Who has the right to cheat anyone from knowing His love and mercy through repentance? That is exactly what Hillsong is doing by offering this very cheap imitation of the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ. Forgery! Blasphemy! Heresy! Doctrine of demons! Messengers from hell trying to look godly and assigning these youngsters their place in the line for ever lasting destruction. No, I will not cut them any slack. They are teaching lies for the truth. I wonder, will any one have the gall to accuse Jesus of being unloving when He says to people such as this “depart from Me, you workers if iniquity, I never knew you”!?

  10. timmy says:

    isaiah 53 3 says that jesus had no beauty that we should desire so trying to give kids another reason to desire jesus is a huge heresy

  11. Chris says:

    Brothers/sisters, we may just have to agree to disagree. I would concede that her presentation was DEFICIENT, but not HERETICAL. It was not such a distortion as to qualify for the Galatians 1:6 anathema.

    She said … ‘He’s our very best friend’; “Jesus can be our very best friend”; ‘he wants to have a relationship with you’:
    Mt. 19:14: but Jesus said, ‘Let the little children come to me and do not hinder them, for to such belongs the kingdom of heaven.’
    Jn. 6:37: ‘All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.’
    Jn. 7:34: ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a FRIEND of tax collectors and sinners!’
    Lk. 12:4: ‘I tell you, my FRIENDS, do not fear those who kill the body …’
    Jn. 15:15: ‘No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.’

    She said God is an awesome God.
    She said God created everything.
    She said God created all of you (the children).

    She said … ‘he created you because he wanted to be your friend.’ (she’s speaking to elementary school kids, remember):
    Jn. 17:3: ‘And this is eternal life, that they KNOW you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.’
    Jer. 9:24: ‘but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and KNOWS me, that I am the Lord who practices steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, declares the Lord.’
    Rev. 21:3: ‘And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place[1] of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people,[2] and God himself will be with them as their God.’

    She said … ‘The most important question is if you’ve asked Jesus into your heart’; I CONCEDE THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST OR MOST BIBLICAL WAY TO WORD IT — BUT NOR IS THIS CONCEPT UNSCRIPTURAL:
    Rev. 3:20: ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.’
    ROM. 8:9-10: ‘You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him. But IF CHRIST IS IN YOU, although the body is dead because of sin, the Spirit is life because of righteousness.’

    She said that Jesus forgives us of ‘all the things we’ve ever done wrong’; in French they call sin ‘pecher’, in German ‘Sundigen’ — my point is the MEANING CONVEYED is more important than the specific term used

    She said that Jesus gives us a hope for a fantastic future’ Where’s the heresy?:
    1 Pet. 1:3-4: ‘Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to an inheritance that is imperishable, undefiled, and unfading, kept in heaven for you …’

    She said for the kids to ask themselves: ‘Do I talk to Jesus (prayer)? Do I read his Word?’

    She said she wanted to give the kids a chance to tell Jesus they want to LIVE FOR HIM all the days of their life, and to tell Jesus, ‘I love you Jesus.’
    Jn. 15:14: ‘You are my friends if you do what I command you.’

    She leads the kids in giving Jesus praise (applause) at the end.

    Much of Hillsong’s music is about praising God and pledging to share one’s faith, about living according to his Word.

    Paul said ‘I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the growth.’ Is it not conceivable that this presentation planted a seed, and others will water?

    If a child left this event feeling justified because they prayed a simple prayer, when actually they weren’t justified, then I CONCEDE, THAT IS A TRAGEDY. But she never tells the kids that if they prayed the prayer, then don’t ever worry about anything else for the rest of life. By far, the balance of material I have seen from Hillsong stresses obedience, Bible reading, worship, etc.

    Could these be brothers and sisters of ours in Jesus? Might there be a way whereby we could speak the truth to them with more love? All you folks have wonderful, true things to share. Why not share them with grace and gentleness, trusting that God might use you to help some erring brethren see their faults and change?

  12. @Chris:

    You said…

    She said … ‘The most important question is if you’ve asked Jesus into your heart’; I CONCEDE THAT THIS IS NOT THE BEST OR MOST BIBLICAL WAY TO WORD IT — BUT NOR IS THIS CONCEPT UNSCRIPTURAL:
    Rev. 3:20: ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.’

    You may find this article helpful, as the concept is very much “UNSCRIPTURAL”.

  13. Darrel says:

    Sorry, Chris, but all those things that she spoke of are known and believed by the demons of Hell and Satan himself. Are they saved because of that belief? Of course not. She left out a key factor: repentance. Is anyone ever saved without repentance? Of course not. John the Baptist’s ministry was almost entirely built around repentance. One of the first things that Jesus said after the forty days of temptation was “Repent”. No matter how much “truth” a person may utter if repentance is left out it is NOT the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Could it be that the reason repentance is not part of someone’s “gospel” presentation is because they have never experienced it first hand? OUCH! Would you rob a person of the joy that comes from turning away from their sins unto God? Or of the peace of knowing that now my sins are washed away by the blood of the Lamb? What need have we of a Savior if we can not see our sin as God sees it? Did she mention the death and resurrection of our Lord? I must have missed that. So what good are all of these lovey-dovey, mushy, make me feel all warm and fuzzy things when turning from sin is never mentioned and the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ takes last place on the (other) gospel hit parade? So last place is it that it is never spoken of. Find one example of a repent-less, resurrection-less gospel presentation in the New Testament. There are none.

  14. Chris says:

    Ben: it’s premature to conclude that Hillsong teaches only part of the truth by looking at one talk from one person from one ministry for evidence.

    Nathan: I concede that the Rev. passage is not talking directly about conversion. At the same time, the idea of God coming in the Spirit — what Rom. refers to as the Spirit of Christ — into a saved person is scriptural. John 1 also talks about receiving Christ (‘to as many as received him’). I know we’re all predestined — believe me, I subscribe to the doctrines of grace — but we can’t ignore scriptures that call people to respond personally to the gospel either.

    Darrel: Re ‘demon faith’, James is talking about a faith with no trust/faith or relationship component to it — someone who knows doctrine in a dry, impersonal way that results in no application. This woman appeals to the children to receive Jesus as the forgiver of their sins, to pray to him, to live for him, and to praise him.

    All: my main concern is the WAY this video addresses this problem, not the content of what’s being said. If, as I mentioned above, we concede that many of the folks at HS are brothers and sisters, isn’t there a more kind (and more effective?) way of addressing this problem?

    I’d bet you money the woman in this video is simply sharing in a way that she’s been taught by others. I don’t think she woke up and said to herself, in malice, ‘I know the REAL way to preach the gospel, but I want to pervert some young minds and send them to hell!’ Can you entertain the possibility that she is interested in seeing these children come to know Christ and follow him, but is ignorant of the right way? I was like that once, before someone showed me the right way — but I was a Christian before I knew, too.

    Would you make a video about your real brother or sister, criticizing the way they do something, for everyone in the world to see? It’s harder and messier to attempt to contact the leadership at Hillsong personally, and graciously appeal to them to consider that their evangelistic methods need reevaluation — but I would posit that that is a more Christ-like approach.

  15. Ben Davis says:

    Chris says:
    “Ben: it’s premature to conclude that Hillsong teaches only part of the truth by looking at one talk from one person from one ministry for evidence.”

    Yeah that’s true, Chris. So it’s a good thing that they have given us plenty of examples to base this on. They endorse the Roman Catholic church, its false gospel of works righteousness, the Pope himself, heretic preachers who deny the Trinity, who deny the sufficiency of the atonement, who believe there is salvation in the cult of Mormonism… Hundreds of Christians have attempted to contact them about these issues already. They are deaf to correction. So if you can’t stop the car from hitting the wall, the least you can do is tell people to get out of the way. Is that so unChrist-like?

  16. Chris says:

    Ben (and everyone else who has commented here): I’m going to go research Hillsong for myself. I admit I don’t know a lot about them outside the fact that their music has encouraged me, and a music video I got for my kids by them seemed to be sound theologically. If it’s as bad as you imply, then yes, it’s a good thing to post videos like this. It’s best I don’t say much more if I don’t know whereof I speak.

    Having said that, I leave you with a warning/reminder: there is a way of seeking to correct or edify the church by which you actually align yourself with the accuser of the brethren, and your fleshly urge to exalt yourself and wield a kind of power gets cloaked in a guise of righteous anger or concern. Rather than looking for the good and assuming the best, you begin with a critical, ungracious eye and proceed from there. Since talk is so cheap (and anonymous) on the Internet, I think this happens frequently online. I feared this was what was happening here. I’m not sure it hasn’t , but you make a fair point about researching Hillsong to see what the real scoop is.

    I sincerely wish everyone here well in the Lord. Let’s say a prayer for one another and for Hillsong, and hope the Lord can steer them towards truth.

    Thanks for your gracious dialogue with me here …

  17. Chris says:

    On a very different note — this site has a great design. Whoever put it together did a great job. I look forward to citing SOS on The Daily Scroll in days to come …

  18. Jen says:

    Ben, you couldn’t have said it better! Also, Chris, it’s what she left out that’s important! She’s preaching to itching ears. II just saw a Baptist church sign that said “A Positive Church with a Positive Message”. Sign of the times!!!!! You can take an educated guess and say that they most likely don’t mention repentance and the blood atonement, among other things!

    Hillsong has become the ecumenical Satanic driven church! They seem locked in their sin and need to be part of the world movement. Pray for them.

    I only pretty much trust (never put 100% trust in man) only a few Christian websites now. Recommend everyone visit and read all you can from the following site:

    authorityresearch.com

  19. Venus says:

    You know you can all cut Ben some slack he is only trying to help you. And as a Christian I believe everything that is not inside the gospel is heresay. I do not believe in Hillsong, I do not believe in Roman Catholic and I especially don’t believe in the Jehovahs Witness or Mormonism. These churches are all apart of satan they are not apart of christ and you are only following satan the devil if you go to these denomic false churches. Those prophets that created those churches are called Antichrists!

    Please read these following bible versus.

    Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.
    (1 John 2:18)

    Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. (1 John 4)

    If you would like to accept Christ then believe this next message:

    “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his son into the world to be condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because there deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through god. (John 3:16-21)
    :

  20. Ben Davis says:

    Thanks Chris. I’ll check out your page! Nice design too. :)


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